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	<title>Comments on: Matthias Stork: Chaos Cinema/Classical Cinema, Part Two</title>
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		<title>By: juan namnun</title>
		<link>http://www.theasc.com/blog/2011/11/21/matthias-stork-chaos-cinemaclassical-cinema-part-two/#comment-12665</link>
		<dc:creator>juan namnun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Offret&quot; was (sadly, one can only dream of his &quot;Hamlet&quot;  shot on monumental valley as he dreams on his diary)Tarkosvky s last film...his last  shot that uncut excellent presentation of a dream (what else was that?) of an old man trying to  find meaning for the  last years of his life  and the first of his little son&#039;s life... as Nykvist was a master of light,   with  a very modern way of seeing (maybe the greatest modern cinematographer) the world as meaningless;  so he clashed with Tarkvosky maybe the greatest baroque filmmaker (I&#039;m following Fabrice Revault D Allonnes classification  of : classical, baroque, and modern filmmakers). They clashed; they promised never to work with each other again (according to Tarkovsky&#039;s diary) but they made one of the finest examples of this art form--- that long, uncut shot, in which  we can see the four classical elements working as one (the fire and the wind destroy the use, while the water and the earth stand idle) is my favorite  uncut shot...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Offret&#8221; was (sadly, one can only dream of his &#8220;Hamlet&#8221;  shot on monumental valley as he dreams on his diary)Tarkosvky s last film&#8230;his last  shot that uncut excellent presentation of a dream (what else was that?) of an old man trying to  find meaning for the  last years of his life  and the first of his little son&#8217;s life&#8230; as Nykvist was a master of light,   with  a very modern way of seeing (maybe the greatest modern cinematographer) the world as meaningless;  so he clashed with Tarkvosky maybe the greatest baroque filmmaker (I&#8217;m following Fabrice Revault D Allonnes classification  of : classical, baroque, and modern filmmakers). They clashed; they promised never to work with each other again (according to Tarkovsky&#8217;s diary) but they made one of the finest examples of this art form&#8212; that long, uncut shot, in which  we can see the four classical elements working as one (the fire and the wind destroy the use, while the water and the earth stand idle) is my favorite  uncut shot&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Raul Davalos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raul Davalos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear John, 
I thoroughly enjoyed reading parts one and two of this piece. The belief of many filmmakers that more cuts and disorienting geography is at once, edgy, hip, new, cutting edge, young, and cool has created a new logic: more cuts = better editing = a better film. However, an entire film using this new paradigm makes it more difficult to engage emotionally. One might as well watch an endless loop of YouTube videos of old buildings coming down in controlled demoltion. Interesting to see once or twice but 120 minutes of this and ... well, you get the idea.

There is no true virtue to the chaos without making us care about it. It just becomes photography of chaos. Take, for example, the editing of modern musicals,  bloated with cuts that prevent us from enjoying the very thing it proposes to highlight: the dancing - or rather, a talented dancer. I&#039;d rather see a two and a half minute uninterrupted shot of Eleanor Powell and Fred Astaire dancing in Broadway Melody of 1940 than any number of recent musicals.

What I have found wonderful about the other extreme, that of the very long takes, is that this disconnect does not occur. What it does do is actually the opposite. It engages us, unconsciously, to make edits in our mind. If these &quot;oners&quot; are well designed and crafted the audience may not even notice it&#039;s just one shot and will probably recollect, upon later questioning, that they were always engaged in the story and even swear they saw close ups and wide shots. 

When you have a great two-shot of Jimmy Stewart and Jean Arthur giving a wonderful performance, why cut? My instinct is not to cut unless something more interesting is happening elsewhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear John, <br />
I thoroughly enjoyed reading parts one and two of this piece. The belief of many filmmakers that more cuts and disorienting geography is at once, edgy, hip, new, cutting edge, young, and cool has created a new logic: more cuts = better editing = a better film. However, an entire film using this new paradigm makes it more difficult to engage emotionally. One might as well watch an endless loop of YouTube videos of old buildings coming down in controlled demoltion. Interesting to see once or twice but 120 minutes of this and &#8230; well, you get the idea.</p>
<p>There is no true virtue to the chaos without making us care about it. It just becomes photography of chaos. Take, for example, the editing of modern musicals,  bloated with cuts that prevent us from enjoying the very thing it proposes to highlight: the dancing &#8211; or rather, a talented dancer. I&#8217;d rather see a two and a half minute uninterrupted shot of Eleanor Powell and Fred Astaire dancing in Broadway Melody of 1940 than any number of recent musicals.</p>
<p>What I have found wonderful about the other extreme, that of the very long takes, is that this disconnect does not occur. What it does do is actually the opposite. It engages us, unconsciously, to make edits in our mind. If these &#8220;oners&#8221; are well designed and crafted the audience may not even notice it&#8217;s just one shot and will probably recollect, upon later questioning, that they were always engaged in the story and even swear they saw close ups and wide shots. </p>
<p>When you have a great two-shot of Jimmy Stewart and Jean Arthur giving a wonderful performance, why cut? My instinct is not to cut unless something more interesting is happening elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: The View Beyond Parallax… more reads for week of November 18 &#124; Parallax View</title>
		<link>http://www.theasc.com/blog/2011/11/21/matthias-stork-chaos-cinemaclassical-cinema-part-two/#comment-7284</link>
		<dc:creator>The View Beyond Parallax… more reads for week of November 18 &#124; Parallax View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 18:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Stork&#8217;s &#8220;chaos cinema&#8221; videos so far includes an interview with Stork and a recounting of some of Bailey&#8217;s favorite long takes, from Tarkovsky to Touch of Evil to You Can&#8217;t Take It with You. A final installment is yet to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Stork&#8217;s &#8220;chaos cinema&#8221; videos so far includes an interview with Stork and a recounting of some of Bailey&#8217;s favorite long takes, from Tarkovsky to Touch of Evil to You Can&#8217;t Take It with You. A final installment is yet to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cinematographer John Bailey&#8217;s Ponders The Expressive Use Of The Long, Uncut Take &#171; Movie City News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cinematographer John Bailey&#8217;s Ponders The Expressive Use Of The Long, Uncut Take &#171; Movie City News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pedro Luque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pedro Luque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 15:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wonderful post, absolutely enjoyable, thank you for noticing on &quot;La casa muda&quot;, was a fantastic experience, both technically and for the mind.
My most sincere congratulations for your work!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful post, absolutely enjoyable, thank you for noticing on &#8220;La casa muda&#8221;, was a fantastic experience, both technically and for the mind.<br />
My most sincere congratulations for your work!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthias</title>
		<link>http://www.theasc.com/blog/2011/11/21/matthias-stork-chaos-cinemaclassical-cinema-part-two/#comment-7020</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John, thank you so much for this wonderful essay. I am especially pleased to see LA RONDE mentioned in your impressive list of opening shots. The first-ever long take that I remember seeing was Martin Scorsese&#039;s iconic Copacabana sequence in GOODFELLAS. I am also fascinated bby Kubrick&#039;s steadycam shots in THE SHINING. Again, thank you for a stimulating read. Great work!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, thank you so much for this wonderful essay. I am especially pleased to see LA RONDE mentioned in your impressive list of opening shots. The first-ever long take that I remember seeing was Martin Scorsese&#8217;s iconic Copacabana sequence in GOODFELLAS. I am also fascinated bby Kubrick&#8217;s steadycam shots in THE SHINING. Again, thank you for a stimulating read. Great work!</p>
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		<title>By: David Heuring</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Heuring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 05:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating, John. I wanted to take the opportunity to mention that the camera operator on Touch of Evil was Philip Lathrop (later ASC), who was a great cinematographer and a wonderful person, perhaps best known for his photography of They Shoot Horses, Don&#039;t They?

John&#039;s reply: I first met Phil on a car commercial he was shooting. I was first asst. camera. We sat on a Titan crane waiting for magic hour light to do a beauty shot of several cars on the wet pavement below. I was too intimidated to say much but figured this would be my one chance to ask the inevitable question of any fledgling. &quot;Mr. Lathrop, one day I hope to be a feature film cinematographer. Do you have any advice?&quot; He locked off the wheels on the Worrall head, looked thoughtfully out to the horizon, and said simply, &quot;Yeah, kid, just one thing. Sit down whenever you can.&quot; ----- best advice I ever got.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating, John. I wanted to take the opportunity to mention that the camera operator on Touch of Evil was Philip Lathrop (later ASC), who was a great cinematographer and a wonderful person, perhaps best known for his photography of They Shoot Horses, Don&#8217;t They?</p>
<p>John&#8217;s reply: I first met Phil on a car commercial he was shooting. I was first asst. camera. We sat on a Titan crane waiting for magic hour light to do a beauty shot of several cars on the wet pavement below. I was too intimidated to say much but figured this would be my one chance to ask the inevitable question of any fledgling. &#8220;Mr. Lathrop, one day I hope to be a feature film cinematographer. Do you have any advice?&#8221; He locked off the wheels on the Worrall head, looked thoughtfully out to the horizon, and said simply, &#8220;Yeah, kid, just one thing. Sit down whenever you can.&#8221; &#8212;&#8211; best advice I ever got.</p>
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